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		<title>Comment on Open Letter Update by Linda Young</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-letter-update/#comment-877</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The letter contains some good information. As we move forward, we should consider changing the tone of the letter to be caring and concerned, educated and understanding while asking the President to kindly adopt changes to protect civil liberties in America. 

Words like kindly, hopefully, supportive, understanding, respectfully, and others help us to connect and help the President to hear us more openly.

The tone of the letter now reflects more of an egoic stance rather than one of conciliation and working together. 

Peace to all, Linda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The letter contains some good information. As we move forward, we should consider changing the tone of the letter to be caring and concerned, educated and understanding while asking the President to kindly adopt changes to protect civil liberties in America. </p>
<p>Words like kindly, hopefully, supportive, understanding, respectfully, and others help us to connect and help the President to hear us more openly.</p>
<p>The tone of the letter now reflects more of an egoic stance rather than one of conciliation and working together. </p>
<p>Peace to all, Linda</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter Update by Key Takeaways from November 10 call &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-letter-update/#comment-875</link>
		<dc:creator>Key Takeaways from November 10 call &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will be utilizing a tweetchat to launch our open letter to President Obama. We will be making final edits to the letter over the next few days (with more integral help from [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on What does it mean to &#8220;get FISA right&#8221;? by Key Takeaways from November 10 call &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/what-is-get-it-right/#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>Key Takeaways from November 10 call &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Burrows discussed the difficulty of truly getting FISA right, which prompted the idea of utilizing a tweetchat to engage the technical community to share [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter Update by Craig Nazor</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-letter-update/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Nazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I like the letter. I think the tone is forceful, but not disrespectful. It is also personal and frank, yet remains formal.

I do not think that this is the kind of communication that needs an executive summary. If you add one of those in, it is quite likely all that will be read by the President. It might be a good idea to edit the letter for length - there seems to be a bit of redundancy between the sections, and brevity helps to ensure that the entire letter will be read.

I like the electronic citations very much. This should be done throughout whenever a communication or event is mentioned. It really adds seriousness to the discussion - very powerful to anyone with a scholarly, intellectual bent, and allows those new to the issue to quickly come up to speed (like the aide assigned to draft a response!). It will require a more thoughtful, focused answer.

Whatever opinion anyone harbors towards President Obama at this time, he is the sitting President, and if we want to lobby for change, he is the go-to guy. I also still find him light years better than his predecessor. As a group, we already have a relationship established. A letter such as this seems a very good way to move forward.

I have had to follow events from a bit of a distance because my teaching schedule is such that it has been hard for me to be present for any of the virtual events. I greatly appreciate being able to follow along nonetheless. Thanks for all of the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I like the letter. I think the tone is forceful, but not disrespectful. It is also personal and frank, yet remains formal.</p>
<p>I do not think that this is the kind of communication that needs an executive summary. If you add one of those in, it is quite likely all that will be read by the President. It might be a good idea to edit the letter for length &#8211; there seems to be a bit of redundancy between the sections, and brevity helps to ensure that the entire letter will be read.</p>
<p>I like the electronic citations very much. This should be done throughout whenever a communication or event is mentioned. It really adds seriousness to the discussion &#8211; very powerful to anyone with a scholarly, intellectual bent, and allows those new to the issue to quickly come up to speed (like the aide assigned to draft a response!). It will require a more thoughtful, focused answer.</p>
<p>Whatever opinion anyone harbors towards President Obama at this time, he is the sitting President, and if we want to lobby for change, he is the go-to guy. I also still find him light years better than his predecessor. As a group, we already have a relationship established. A letter such as this seems a very good way to move forward.</p>
<p>I have had to follow events from a bit of a distance because my teaching schedule is such that it has been hard for me to be present for any of the virtual events. I greatly appreciate being able to follow along nonetheless. Thanks for all of the great work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter Update by Ted Voth Jr</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-letter-update/#comment-866</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Voth Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so disgusted with the man I can&#039;t even stand to watch him on TV. He&#039;s as great a disgrace to the Black race as the similarly spineless Nancy Pelosi is to her sex. What a pathetic pair; totally owned Corporate subsidiaries 

I&#039;m noe the one to vet your letter. Stylistically I would rather you say &#039;you committed yourself to have your Attorney General&#039; than &#039;you committed to have your Attorney General&#039;, but that&#039;s about it.

I&#039;m a Constitutionalist, and Obama&#039;s interest in the Constitution is as a quaint old document of academic interest only. 

His negotiating style is that of a crayfish, which is a small invertebrate that can back down faster than a cheetah can run forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so disgusted with the man I can&#8217;t even stand to watch him on TV. He&#8217;s as great a disgrace to the Black race as the similarly spineless Nancy Pelosi is to her sex. What a pathetic pair; totally owned Corporate subsidiaries </p>
<p>I&#8217;m noe the one to vet your letter. Stylistically I would rather you say &#8216;you committed yourself to have your Attorney General&#8217; than &#8216;you committed to have your Attorney General&#8217;, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Constitutionalist, and Obama&#8217;s interest in the Constitution is as a quaint old document of academic interest only. </p>
<p>His negotiating style is that of a crayfish, which is a small invertebrate that can back down faster than a cheetah can run forward.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter Update by A Great Day for Civil Liberties &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Great Day for Civil Liberties &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we are pushing forward on our Open Letter to President Obama in a big way, and are striving for as much input as we can get for this crowdsourced effort. We [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Markup Suggested Tweets by Quick Summary of Markup Day 2 &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/markup-suggested-tweets/#comment-864</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Summary of Markup Day 2 &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the meantime, our suggested tweets provide a variety of options to send, but we are focusing on the following tweets in a carrot and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter Update by korkie</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-letter-update/#comment-859</link>
		<dc:creator>korkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff made some valid points ...</description>
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		<title>Comment on change.gov: voting deadline Sunday!  (ways to help in less than one minute) by Raasch</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/changegov-voting-deadline-sunday-ways-to-help-in-less-than-one-minute/#comment-857</link>
		<dc:creator>Raasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter Update by harrywaisbren</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-letter-update/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>harrywaisbren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via eggy1943 posted on the GFR wiki:

I agree with ddearborn and suggest adopting her suggestions.

The tone of the letter seems derogatory to the President.
We should be able to site concerns than suggest changes politely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via eggy1943 posted on the GFR wiki:</p>
<p>I agree with ddearborn and suggest adopting her suggestions.</p>
<p>The tone of the letter seems derogatory to the President.<br />
We should be able to site concerns than suggest changes politely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Letter Update by harrywaisbren</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-letter-update/#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>harrywaisbren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Frontz sent the following via FB:

I&#039;m not sure of the intended audience of your letter-- is it to be spread around to educate folks or are you actually trying to communicate with Obama?   If the latter, you need an &quot;executive summary&quot; as the first paragraph-- no more than 2-3 sentences that tell him exactly what you want from him.  [see?  like I just did right there.]  A restatement of the summary should be the last thing in your letter before the signature.

He doesn&#039;t need to be told about what you don&#039;t want him to do or what he did or what you think about what he did or what you think he might be thinking or anything else.  Why would he even need to read rhetorical questions?  He needs to hear/read exactly what you want from him.  If he (or, rather, one of his aids) actually take the time to read your letter and they have to sift through rhetoric to figure out what you want-- well, there&#039;s no &quot;if&quot;, because they&#039;re not going to do that.  They&#039;ll spend about 5 seconds trying to get the gist of it and then they&#039;ll just put it on the &quot;send them a &#039;pat on the head&#039; letter&quot; pile. [are you still reading?  then you&#039;re not presidential aid material; they&#039;ve already gone on to the next letter.]

If your intent is to educate folks, you should do something similar-- put in an executive summary of what you want the reader to get Obama to do, then go on with the supporting stuff.

Folks don&#039;t have time to read long diatribes and histories--if they can&#039;t figure it out from the first couple of sentences, you&#039;re doomed. [only die-hard political junkies are still reading this]

Oh, and make sure you not only open, but also close with essentially a re-statement of what you want from him.  That way the people who skip to the bottom instead of just reading the first few lines won&#039;t get left out. [just like that right there.]

Jeff

P.S. If you&#039;ve got something extra to re-iterate, you can put it in a post-script just to make sure he gets it.  Oh, and you should get a professional editor to edit the thing.  They&#039;re not that expensive and they can make all the difference between an effective letter and what appears to be a high school term paper written by a committee of people who seem to like run on sentences way too much which is what you&#039;ve got going on right now and it makes it really hard to read and you&#039;re surely not really still reading this sentence because nobody else is going to try and figure it out.

P.P.S.  Avoid being snarky [I can&#039;t help myself; I&#039;m differently-abled that way.]  Oh, and don&#039;t use post-post-scripts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Frontz sent the following via FB:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure of the intended audience of your letter&#8211; is it to be spread around to educate folks or are you actually trying to communicate with Obama?   If the latter, you need an &#8220;executive summary&#8221; as the first paragraph&#8211; no more than 2-3 sentences that tell him exactly what you want from him.  [see?  like I just did right there.]  A restatement of the summary should be the last thing in your letter before the signature.</p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t need to be told about what you don&#8217;t want him to do or what he did or what you think about what he did or what you think he might be thinking or anything else.  Why would he even need to read rhetorical questions?  He needs to hear/read exactly what you want from him.  If he (or, rather, one of his aids) actually take the time to read your letter and they have to sift through rhetoric to figure out what you want&#8211; well, there&#8217;s no &#8220;if&#8221;, because they&#8217;re not going to do that.  They&#8217;ll spend about 5 seconds trying to get the gist of it and then they&#8217;ll just put it on the &#8220;send them a &#8216;pat on the head&#8217; letter&#8221; pile. [are you still reading?  then you're not presidential aid material; they've already gone on to the next letter.]</p>
<p>If your intent is to educate folks, you should do something similar&#8211; put in an executive summary of what you want the reader to get Obama to do, then go on with the supporting stuff.</p>
<p>Folks don&#8217;t have time to read long diatribes and histories&#8211;if they can&#8217;t figure it out from the first couple of sentences, you&#8217;re doomed. [only die-hard political junkies are still reading this]</p>
<p>Oh, and make sure you not only open, but also close with essentially a re-statement of what you want from him.  That way the people who skip to the bottom instead of just reading the first few lines won&#8217;t get left out. [just like that right there.]</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
<p>P.S. If you&#8217;ve got something extra to re-iterate, you can put it in a post-script just to make sure he gets it.  Oh, and you should get a professional editor to edit the thing.  They&#8217;re not that expensive and they can make all the difference between an effective letter and what appears to be a high school term paper written by a committee of people who seem to like run on sentences way too much which is what you&#8217;ve got going on right now and it makes it really hard to read and you&#8217;re surely not really still reading this sentence because nobody else is going to try and figure it out.</p>
<p>P.P.S.  Avoid being snarky [I can't help myself; I'm differently-abled that way.]  Oh, and don&#8217;t use post-post-scripts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Upcoming open letter to Obama: what&#8217;s our ask? by Open Letter Update &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Letter Update &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] call earlier to go over the letter, and Amy mentioned that our last blog post like this one about the open letter was what inspired her to begin working with us in the first place. It&#8217;s quite gratifying to [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Quick Summary of Patriot Act Markup by harrywaisbren</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/quick-summary-of-patriot-act-markup/#comment-853</link>
		<dc:creator>harrywaisbren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you like our work Jane, and we&#039;d love to hear your ideas! 

You can place them in comments, shoot me an email at hwaisbren@gmail.com, or generally contact us through any communication stream you prefer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you like our work Jane, and we&#8217;d love to hear your ideas! </p>
<p>You can place them in comments, shoot me an email at <a href="mailto:hwaisbren@gmail.com">hwaisbren@gmail.com</a>, or generally contact us through any communication stream you prefer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quick Summary of Patriot Act Markup by Jane Christenson</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/quick-summary-of-patriot-act-markup/#comment-852</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Christenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this work that you all are doing and I have some ideas.  Jane</description>
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		<title>Comment on Wednseday&#8217;s Markup by Quick Summary of Patriot Act Markup &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/wednsedays-markup/#comment-850</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Summary of Patriot Act Markup &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] off, there has yet to be a final vote on the House Judiciary Committee markup of the USA PATRIOT Amendments Act of 2009.  Markup continues tomorrow morning at 10 a.m, and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s Patriot Act &amp; FISA Reform Call by Jim</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/todays-patriot-act-fisa-reform-call/#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo: it&#039;s S. 2336.  Text here:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2009_record&amp;page=S10934&amp;position=all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo: it&#8217;s S. 2336.  Text here:</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s Patriot Act &amp; FISA Reform Call by jonpincus</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/todays-patriot-act-fisa-reform-call/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>jonpincus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a quick update on what&#039;s happening in Congress:

in the House:

- &lt;b&gt;short-term priority:&lt;/b&gt; HJC scheduled to mark up HR 3845 (Conyers/Nadler/Scott) this Wednesday, 12:30 PM Eastern. 

- Reyes, Hastings, and Rupperburger have introdced HR 3969 into HPSCI; it supposedly largely mirrors the SJC bill but may be weaker in some areas.  

Senate:

- In addition to the amended Leahy/Feinstein SJC bill (S. 1692), there&#039;s also a Sessions/Lieberman/Bond (S. 2236) bill that would reauthorize with no additional safeguards.  boo.  floor schedule still unclear.


jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a quick update on what&#8217;s happening in Congress:</p>
<p>in the House:</p>
<p>- <b>short-term priority:</b> HJC scheduled to mark up HR 3845 (Conyers/Nadler/Scott) this Wednesday, 12:30 PM Eastern. </p>
<p>- Reyes, Hastings, and Rupperburger have introdced HR 3969 into HPSCI; it supposedly largely mirrors the SJC bill but may be weaker in some areas.  </p>
<p>Senate:</p>
<p>- In addition to the amended Leahy/Feinstein SJC bill (S. 1692), there&#8217;s also a Sessions/Lieberman/Bond (S. 2236) bill that would reauthorize with no additional safeguards.  boo.  floor schedule still unclear.</p>
<p>jon</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s Patriot Act &amp; FISA Reform Call by jonpincus</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/todays-patriot-act-fisa-reform-call/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>jonpincus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to it, Harry -- thanks for taking the lead setting this up!

The tweetchat idea is a great one ... thanks to Cover it Live, it&#039;s easy for people to participate via the Patriot Act action hub even if they don&#039;t have Twitter.  

And yeah, Amy&#039;s point about stories was a particularly good one.  Especially combining it with BORDC&#039;s local ordinances initiative, there&#039;s chance for some great progress here.

jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to it, Harry &#8212; thanks for taking the lead setting this up!</p>
<p>The tweetchat idea is a great one &#8230; thanks to Cover it Live, it&#8217;s easy for people to participate via the Patriot Act action hub even if they don&#8217;t have Twitter.  </p>
<p>And yeah, Amy&#8217;s point about stories was a particularly good one.  Especially combining it with BORDC&#8217;s local ordinances initiative, there&#8217;s chance for some great progress here.</p>
<p>jon</p>
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		<title>Comment on Key Takeaways From Our Latest Call by Today&#8217;s Patriot Act &#38; FISA Reform Call &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/key-takeaways-following-our-latest-call/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>Today&#8217;s Patriot Act &#38; FISA Reform Call &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] area in which we have progressed in light of last week&#8217;s call&#8211;and will be going over&#8211;are our efforts to increase our coalition&#8217;s size while [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Tweeting Points by Today&#8217;s Patriot Act &#38; FISA Reform Call &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/tweeting-points-2/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>Today&#8217;s Patriot Act &#38; FISA Reform Call &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] area in which we have progressed in light of last week&#8217;s call&#8211;and will be going over today&#8211;are our efforts to increase our coalition&#8217;s size [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on What next? Patriot Act/FISA organizing call Tuesday, 2 p.m. Pacific/5 Eastern by steveOhum</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/what-next/#comment-837</link>
		<dc:creator>steveOhum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this excellent discussion, I&#039;m mostly in accord with everything said here, my only concern is in the use of &#039;embarassment&#039; of our officials as a goal, and this has to do with a basic philosophical/spiritual perspective that many folks on the left may not share. I would prefer to keep our hands joined even if that&#039;s the case, since I&#039;m devoted in spirit to the aim of these efforts - restoratin of our civil liberties. The problem with wanting to embarass those in power is that it immediately sets us against them in our energies, and it is this energy or disposition of opposition and conflict that keeps minds and ears closed, and ultimately perpetuates the same old experience of conflict that has been looping for many years. My preference would be to frame this effort in terms of holding our leaders accountable, simply enough, and let their emotional state be what it is. In other words, this would be in the spirit of nonviolence that Gandhi promoted, where we don&#039;t see policymakers&#039; betrayal of the public interest as enemies, but simply as mistaken and not seeing clearly, and by calmly standing in the truth and speaking this truth, they are invited to join us in promoting what we stand for, human rights and dignity, without making them wrong. Internally it&#039;s a way of including them, not excluding them, or blaming them. Though it may be a small point, the difference between holding someone accountable and trying to embarass them, it is an ocean of difference in attitude, and I think it makes an ocean of difference in what is or isn&#039;t effective action. Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandella and Gandhi&#039;s freedom movements were powerful for the very reason that they took this position, philosophically and spiritually, and it is no accident that they were all successful movements. In short, in my view, the way to change is not through finger pointing, division and warring, but by gradually growing the ranks of people seeking civil liberties, dignity, freedom and justice to include, not reject, our so-called enemies and adversaries. We know we have the truth on our side, our complaints are against those acting out of fear or greed. I know that may sound like bleeding heart fluff, but historically, it&#039;s the only thing that has ever sustainably worked to bring about change at the least cost. What do y&#039;all think of that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this excellent discussion, I&#8217;m mostly in accord with everything said here, my only concern is in the use of &#8216;embarassment&#8217; of our officials as a goal, and this has to do with a basic philosophical/spiritual perspective that many folks on the left may not share. I would prefer to keep our hands joined even if that&#8217;s the case, since I&#8217;m devoted in spirit to the aim of these efforts &#8211; restoratin of our civil liberties. The problem with wanting to embarass those in power is that it immediately sets us against them in our energies, and it is this energy or disposition of opposition and conflict that keeps minds and ears closed, and ultimately perpetuates the same old experience of conflict that has been looping for many years. My preference would be to frame this effort in terms of holding our leaders accountable, simply enough, and let their emotional state be what it is. In other words, this would be in the spirit of nonviolence that Gandhi promoted, where we don&#8217;t see policymakers&#8217; betrayal of the public interest as enemies, but simply as mistaken and not seeing clearly, and by calmly standing in the truth and speaking this truth, they are invited to join us in promoting what we stand for, human rights and dignity, without making them wrong. Internally it&#8217;s a way of including them, not excluding them, or blaming them. Though it may be a small point, the difference between holding someone accountable and trying to embarass them, it is an ocean of difference in attitude, and I think it makes an ocean of difference in what is or isn&#8217;t effective action. Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandella and Gandhi&#8217;s freedom movements were powerful for the very reason that they took this position, philosophically and spiritually, and it is no accident that they were all successful movements. In short, in my view, the way to change is not through finger pointing, division and warring, but by gradually growing the ranks of people seeking civil liberties, dignity, freedom and justice to include, not reject, our so-called enemies and adversaries. We know we have the truth on our side, our complaints are against those acting out of fear or greed. I know that may sound like bleeding heart fluff, but historically, it&#8217;s the only thing that has ever sustainably worked to bring about change at the least cost. What do y&#8217;all think of that?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Key Takeaways From Our Latest Call by jonpincus</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/key-takeaways-following-our-latest-call/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>jonpincus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great call!  The point about getting people who have been affected by the Patriot Act to tell their stories is a particularly good one ... it&#039;s something that health care reformers and the DREAM Activists have done extremely well.  

Another valuable idea that came up was doing more outreach to Arab-Americans and Muslim Americans.  Several Arab-American groups &lt;a href=&quot;http://get-fisa-right.wetpaint.com/page/Signers+of+coalition+letter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;signed the coalition letter&lt;/a&gt;; it&#039;d be great to work with them on social network outreach.

Derrick made a great point that the data mining focus is very abstract.  Sneak-and-peak and National Security Letters are far more likely to resonate with people.  This also relates to a subject we&#039;ve talked about on past calls: focusing on ways the Patriot Act and FISA relate to people&#039;s everyday lives.

Thanks once again to everbody for participating!

jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great call!  The point about getting people who have been affected by the Patriot Act to tell their stories is a particularly good one &#8230; it&#8217;s something that health care reformers and the DREAM Activists have done extremely well.  </p>
<p>Another valuable idea that came up was doing more outreach to Arab-Americans and Muslim Americans.  Several Arab-American groups <a href="http://get-fisa-right.wetpaint.com/page/Signers+of+coalition+letter" rel="nofollow">signed the coalition letter</a>; it&#8217;d be great to work with them on social network outreach.</p>
<p>Derrick made a great point that the data mining focus is very abstract.  Sneak-and-peak and National Security Letters are far more likely to resonate with people.  This also relates to a subject we&#8217;ve talked about on past calls: focusing on ways the Patriot Act and FISA relate to people&#8217;s everyday lives.</p>
<p>Thanks once again to everbody for participating!</p>
<p>jon</p>
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		<title>Comment on Upcoming open letter to Obama: what&#8217;s our ask? by Talat Hamdani</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/upcoming-open-letter-to-obama-whats-our-ask/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>Talat Hamdani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion. our ask should be simply to reinstate the constitution which stands suspended. Having visited Gunatanamo Bay last month, I underdtood the battle is between military rle vs constitutional rule. 
Under the Patriot act, they have Americans detained also. Maybe a line stating how can the Americans trust on a government who is spying on them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion. our ask should be simply to reinstate the constitution which stands suspended. Having visited Gunatanamo Bay last month, I underdtood the battle is between military rle vs constitutional rule.<br />
Under the Patriot act, they have Americans detained also. Maybe a line stating how can the Americans trust on a government who is spying on them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Continuing the conversation: next organizing call Tuesday, 2 p.m. Pacific/5 Eastern by jonpincus</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/continuing-the-conversation/#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator>jonpincus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the suggestion!  We haven&#039;t looked at PIDB; it certainly could be worth considering going forward.

jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the suggestion!  We haven&#8217;t looked at PIDB; it certainly could be worth considering going forward.</p>
<p>jon</p>
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		<title>Comment on Continuing the conversation: next organizing call Tuesday, 2 p.m. Pacific/5 Eastern by RECox</title>
		<link>http://getfisaright.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/continuing-the-conversation/#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>RECox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably something for future discussion: 

Has anybody here hooked into the Public Interest Declassification Board? It proclaims itself to be &quot;an advisory committee established by Congress in order to promote the fullest possible public access to a thorough, accurate, and reliable documentary record of significant U.S. national security decisions and activities.&quot; 

At their site, http://www.archives.gov/declassification/pidb/, there is much ado about this presidentially appointed board &quot;representing the public&#039;s interest&quot;. It has been meeting since 2006, has held several sessions to hear out representatives of a number of groups, and provided at least one &quot;Report to the President&quot; on &quot;Improving Declassification.&quot; If the PIDB hasn&#039;t been looked at by this GetFISAright group, it may be worth some study. If it has, I&#039;d appreciate having a link to our conclusions. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably something for future discussion: </p>
<p>Has anybody here hooked into the Public Interest Declassification Board? It proclaims itself to be &#8220;an advisory committee established by Congress in order to promote the fullest possible public access to a thorough, accurate, and reliable documentary record of significant U.S. national security decisions and activities.&#8221; </p>
<p>At their site, <a href="http://www.archives.gov/declassification/pidb/" rel="nofollow">http://www.archives.gov/declassification/pidb/</a>, there is much ado about this presidentially appointed board &#8220;representing the public&#8217;s interest&#8221;. It has been meeting since 2006, has held several sessions to hear out representatives of a number of groups, and provided at least one &#8220;Report to the President&#8221; on &#8220;Improving Declassification.&#8221; If the PIDB hasn&#8217;t been looked at by this GetFISAright group, it may be worth some study. If it has, I&#8217;d appreciate having a link to our conclusions. Thanks.</p>
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